The trap load was included because trap shooting is suited to the duck gun. It has a fiber optic front sight which is not origina, SOLD Ser no 1949422, Mfg 1962, 3-Pin Vent Rib, Full, 30" Barrel, Signed by M Dubber, Who I beleive was a colt engraver, 14 1/2" Lop to Winchester Red Vented Pad, Comes with case, Excel, Winchester Custom Model 12 20ga 2 3/4" 28" full choke barrel,Simmons vent rib,serial #683559,fancy French Walnut checkered stocks with great color and figure,jeweled bolt and lifter,ex, WINCHESTER MODEL 12 HEAVY DUCK 12GA 3" MAGNUM. Although the quality of the rib will be the same as the original Winchester, the only way a Simmons rib looks OK on a Model 12 is if they DON'T put their silly name down the side of the rib. After college and had some $$$ I started collecting them. I know of a gun shop in Idaho that can take about any model 42 and put on round post ribs or solid ribs that are just like factory original with the proof marks. In their view, the Model 12 pump with 3-inch chamber was likely to sell better than a similarly chambered Model 21 double. Bids. Nickel and ivory sight beads on the aftermarket Simmons rib, with choke marked full and 2 3/4 inch chamber. Get the 76th edition of the World's Greatest Gun Book. No. says Madis. Its even harder to find a 2-barrel set 16 gauge. These are rare, a line can be seen along the dounut post on both sides. The finishes and rib are 100% Winchester and in great condi, Used Winchester Model 12 20 Gauge 26" barrel WS-1choked skeet Cutts compensator with restriction inserts good condition Buyer pays shipping Millers Gun Center Located in New, Winchester Model 12 pump action 12ga shotgun. Charles Askins provides data for the patterning of several of his personal shotguns with Westerns Super X shells loaded with their new #4 copper-plated shot. That is true about Model 42s, but, as far as researchers know, it is not true about Model 12s. Most books say they did not. It was John Olin who inspired Westerns revolutionary Super-Xshotshell in 1921. Madis states Winchester spent a great deal of time and effort to develop better chokes. Furthermore, Winchester constantly experimented, searching for improvements in all chokes, even the old standby full choke. Winchester almost certainly would have perfected their Full-choke Model 12 duck gun to maximize patterns with #4 lead shot, the size most mentioned for long-range duck shooting in publications prior to the advent of non-toxic shot. Manufactured in 1962. This shotgun is in near new condition in the original box. 1935 3" magnum offerd, will convert all 12 gages if wanted to 3" magnums, the begining of the long forcing cone. Model 12 duck guns had the same six-shot capacity as the standard Model 12: one in the chamber, five in the magazine. The silhouette provides a precise aiming point. Manufactured in 1959. Stock is very fine, with light scratching, pressure dents and an attractive grain pattern. 26" Vent Rib Barrels Choked SKEET. Open Fullscreen. Chamber marked 2 3/4", choke marked full, and 13 1/8" LOP. is 14" with pad. At Guns.com, if an FFL is He was the chief designer of the Model 21 double, John Olins favorite. You have entered an incorrect email address! You are correct. Powered by UBB.threads PHP Forum Software 7.7.5. The pidgeon-grade duck gun was discontinued in 1961. Bore and action are excellent. restrictions refer to: http://www.copyright.gov/laws/ - doublegunshop.com will not monitor nor will they be held liable for copyright violations presented on the BBS which is an open and un-moderated public forum. George Madis indicates in his book The Winchester Model Twelve that about 18,000 Model 12 duck guns were sold during the 1935-1941 period. Askins and Buckingham would sure be surprised at how far the 12 magnum has come. Blue Book on this fine collector 12 gauge is around $2,700! Today I have a nice collection of them, mostly target grade guns. Field grade pump gun with Mod choke barrel. Terms and Conditions and Privacy Policy. This is a shotgun I should never have sold. I don't believe it has been fired. The Nylon 66, a relatively inexpensive rimfire with faux woodgrain, was the first successful synthetic-stock firearm. Length of pull is 14". Instead of buying a gun thats Contact us if you need an add on vent rib for your shotgun or order your Simmons ventilated rib barrel today! The locked breech bolts of both guns have little perceptible play when the rear of the bolt is pressed from the side. This fine shotgun comes from the factory with a Cutts choke system, Metal surfaces rate near excellent, handling marks to wood. The slide handle was given a larger diameter, flat bottom and 14 grooves on each side of the handle about 1947. 1 9-16" DAC, 1 9-16" DAH, 14 1/2, Very good plus overall condition. Probably a lot farther than we can hit em. Add to Cart Winchester 12 12 Gauge (W9744) $995.00 Winchester 12 12 Gauge shotgun. When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. Both guns averaged 80% or better patterns with all loads of #4 shot. We limited our shooting to 25 yards or less and seldom missed. I RATE THE BLUING AT 98% AND THE WOOD AT 96+%. Teal, mallard, widgeon and sprig [pintail] hover singly and in bunches overhead. Also available initially were standard trap and special trap grades. Original appearing donut post and round post vent rib Model 12s with no Simmons markings and proof marks in the proper places are generally thought by collectors to have been made to completion in the Winchester factory. The new Model 12 duck gun was introduced to long-range waterfowl hunters habituated to heavy double shotguns chambered for 3-inch shells. Since Every shotgun manufacturer is a friend of mine, Askins views were well known in the industry. Deluxe checkered walnut, Its new in the original box with associate paperwork in wrapping paper.. has mi, Metal surfaces rate very good, handling marks to wood. The famous Winchester Model 1912 pump shotgun was designed by Winchester's Thomas C. Johnson. In duck shooting the proportion of magazine guns in use is much higher, probably four men in five using the repeater. Askins added, Fact is, personally, I have always thought that I was surer on the second bird with a repeater than I was with a double gun. On gauges for duck hunting: No fault is to be found with the twelve [gauge] as a duck gun, whether in double barrel with 3 inch cases or in repeaters with 2 3/4 inch. Tommy, I would be interested in one of the guns you describe. Winchester Model 12 Takedown Slide Action Shotgun with Simmons Ventilated RibProduced in 1961. The duck gun sent to the American Rifleman staff in 1935 would not unlock during recoil. George Watrous, a longtime Winchester employee with many talents, was commissioned to investigate the good and bad points of Winchesters pre-war line and make suggestions for postwar improvement. Very Good example of a Model 12 26 inch poly choke with vent rib 12 ga. Other conditions: Phone 715-478-0404 within 48 hours to confirm payment, . View cart for details. I know the patent date for this rib was 1919. Every cowboy needs a revolver. This product contains chemicals known to the state of California to cause cancer and birth defects or other reproductive harm. 14" LOP OVER THE ORIGINAL W, Up for sale I have a 100% NIB Winchester model 12 chambered in 16ga. Winchester proof steel replaced nickel steel in the manufacture of all Winchester firearms in the early 1930s. Smith brand, by the A.H. Fox Company of Philadelphia, by Parker, and by Ithaca. Later pump guns, such as the Remington Model 870 and Mossberg Model 500, do not have the slide lock feature. Classic Browning Light Twelve Auto-5 Review: Busting Clays With the Old Humpback Shotgun. We get the FFL from your store others make you find it, copy it, and fax it. Buckinghams tests led him to buy his own custom Super Fox, Bo Whoop. Bo Whoop patterned about 90% at 40 yards with specially bored barrels. Outdoor Hub, LLC (d/b/a Carbon Media Group), 30800 Telegraph Rd, Suite 1921, Bingham Farms, MI 48025 USA. My second blast bites off a dismayed climber. I hunker down and blaze away. IMMEDIATELY its how business should be done. Alarm calls! Winchester Model 42 Slide Action Shotgun with Simmons Vent RibManufactured in 1952. Item . the store. And you are not right about them becouse the model 12 evolved over time with improvements you didn't seem to catch becouse you are probable not a shooter. BARREL 30" CHOKE FULL 90% FACTORY BLUE ORIGINAL FACTORY HEAVY DUCK RECOIL PAD WOOD VERY GOOD. Reduced bag limits and shell capacities for repeating shotguns were introduced. Winchester dutifully shipped its duck guns with a wooden plug installed to limit magazine capacity to two shells. Skeet gun marked "2 7/8" chamber skeet 28 gauge. The barrels and receivers of Model 12 duck guns are made from Winchester Proof Steel. This steel was first used in the Model 21 double introduced in 1931. I wish I had them back! I have several 2-pin guns. The $48 price tag was right. Western brought out their Super-X 2-3/4 and 3-inch shotshells in 1921. Tried to talk him out of doing it and sell him a build up gun but he wanted a vent rib on it as it was his dad's gun. very accurate description and fast delivery, HOCH Reloading Single Cavity Mold c56 309170 .309 170gr nose pour NICE (#334593408927), Arrived quickly, well packaged, item is as described. The rib wasn't offered until 1954 according to the Dave Riffle Model 12 book so it wasn't originally produced at the Winchester Factory. A 2pin vent rib lets the shooter sight under the bird and keep the bird in sight. Guns.com pledges to make gun buying easy, to support local gun stores, and to serve our S/N 1,589,*** made in 1954. It has the long action slide handle. No Reserve. The Model 12 shotgun, initially the Model 1912, hit the market in August 1912. Standard markings, with matching numbers on the receiver and barrel. ONLY ONE EVER PRODUCED BY WINCHESTER, ULIMATE RARITY. Number 8 and 2 shot provided wider and more even patterns with no center thickening. I believe the solid ribs were soft (lead) soldered like the model 21's. Results and Discussion The paired pattern percentages fired by the two duck guns with each of the five loads were not significantly different, judging by the overlapping standard deviations. 1 Winchester Model 70 Ultra Grade Featherweight 270 Win. Great communications. Saint Charles, Missouri. The fact that the Winchester proof marks are now 'off set', caused me to believe the gun may have been returned to the factory for the rib installation. This shotg, FOR SALE IS A VERY NICE VINTAGE WINCHESTER MODEL 12, 12GA GA SHOTGUN. Metal parts of the Model 12 are machined from chrome-molybdenum, the toughest, longest wearing and finest gun steel known. Barrel lengths were 30 or 32 inches, but 32-inch barrels were discontinued in 1948. Important to note that this gun was made in 1956, the first year for the round post factory installed Special Ve, FOR YOUR VIEWING IS A VERY NICE WINCHESTER MODEL 12 in 20 GA. WITH A VENT RIBBED 26" BARREL AND IC CHOKED. Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for Winchester Model 12 12 ga 30 in Barrel 2 3/4" Full vent rib Barrel NICE! Pandemonium! Auction Date: December 7, 2019 Estimated Price: $ 8,500 - $ 13,000 Price Realized: Details Exceptional and Documented Smoothbore Winchester Model 61 Slide Action "Rifle" with Simmons Vent Rib and Box Manufacturer: Winchester Model: 61 Type: Shotgun Gauge: 22 LR Shot Barrel: 24 inch vent rib Finish: blue Grip: Stock: walnut Item Views: 1599 Madis states Ventilated ribs were rarely offered on [duck] guns. However, The fact is a few duck guns were provided with these ribs. Dave Riffles book and the various catalogs I have indicate that the Winchester new ventilated rib was an option from about 1954 to 1959. Second Media Corp., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. This gun is in excellent condition and has very desireable solid rib barrel with full choke. Made in 1928, 12 Gauge, 28"" barrel. Pattern percentages were around 70% with these latter loads. The Model 21 double seemed the reasonable choice for Winchesters duck gun. Save my name and email to use for future comments. JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. and/or Simmons, left in the "white", and sent to the other. Winchester designed the Model 42 to use the new shell and the combo went to market in 1932. Everything functions as it should. There is a moderate mark as shown in the photograph. Something went wrong. Askins Ithaca 10-gauge double with 2 7/8-inch chambers averaged 86.9% with 1 5/8-ounces of shot. Stay in the know. It is in excellent condition with only light handing marks, Used Browning BT99 Plus 12 gauge 28" bbl fixed choke mod good condition no box no manuals Buyer pays shipping Millers Gun Center Located in New Castle, Delaware "Home of TAX, WINCHESTER MODEL 12 16GA PUMP ACTION SHOTGUN, 26" BBL, 2 3/4, POLY CHOKE, RIBLESS, EJECTORS, SINGLE TRIGGER, MEDIUM DARK FIGURED WALNUT, PISTOL GRIP, LOP 14 3/8, 1 1/2, 2 5/16, 7LBS 3OZ, 985 BLUE, Winchester. I used to club trap targets with it. However, Winchester and his succeeding family members successfully managed Winchester Repeating Arms Company from 1866 to 1919. The old trap shooters didn't and they did just fine. Click here for more information. DAC 1 1/2"&n, FRO YOUR VIEWING IS A EXCEPTIONALY NICE MODEL 12 IN 3' HEAVY DUCK. Action works very nicely. $899.97. , Excellent Winchester Model 12 12 gauge Deluxe Skeet gun with factory issued Cutts Compensator. Length of pull was reduced in January 1936 to reflect the extra clothing worn by duck hunters. The gun weighed 8 1/2 pounds with its 32-inch Full choke barrel. There were also many ribs installed that were Simmons' design built by Win., and Simmons rib parts purchased by Winchester and installed at Win., and ribs installed by Win. No other pump shotgun feels like the duck gun. A study of Michael McIntoshs book Best Guns indicates that a few thousand of the specialized waterfowl doubles of all brands were sold between 1921 and 1941. Optional dimensions for straight or pistol grip stocks, grip caps, front sights and recoil pads were also among early options.