On the 6mm BR forum a guy took a bunch of photos of different primers and measured the flame against a ruler to determine the aggressive rating of the primer. Any use of this content without express written consent is prohibited. LRM = Large Rifle Mag . Take them with a grain of salt and as a guide only. Large Rifle Primers Fed 215 WLRM CCI 250 Rem 9 M WLR F210 CCI BR2 CCI 200 Rem 9 Small Rifle Primers Fed 205 Rem 7 WSRM Fed 200 WSR CCI BR4 CCI 400 Rem 6 1/2 I hear ya. 30H32. 4.1-6.0 .4300, 7 Remington 9 1/2 LR 4.75 3.7-6.25 .5679, 8 Fed Match GM210M 4.64 4.0-5.6 .3296, 9 Federal 210 LR 4.62 rintable Burn Rate Chart. [ARCHIVED THREAD] - Primer burn rate(?) Second Media Corp., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. I think it is fair to say that even the cooler primers work, providing the reloader has been careful to work up the loads and allows for volume, powder coatings and temperature at which the loads will be used. The shot is fired against a weight which in turn moves a pointer. Equipment reviews (.243 bullets, 30BR cartridge, 6mm Norma. Large rifle primers all come with one brass thickness, a nominal 0.027" (unlike small rifle primers which vary from 0.020" to 0.025" depending on make/type). Remington Shotshell Primer All Gauges. and .280 Rem., to name a few. We had to stop our test at this stage, as our TRG-41 got test, using all the different primers that we have here. Here are the results of a test done to determine the brisance of primers. shoot them as a group, noting both the velocity and the accuracy, and compare Remington - 209. 2854 0 obj <>stream PRIMER LEGEND . Which is better for muzzleloading, large rifle primers or 209 primers?There are many different types of muzzleloader ignit. SP = Small Pistol . Thanks! Results are much closer than with the LR primers and again there was a surprise winner (CBC Magtech 7 1/2). JavaScript is disabled. Let us start with Large Rifle Primers (LRP) vs Large Pistol Primers (LPP). Federal - 209A. 0000076375 00000 n Cases larger than that we normally used magnum primers. Copyright 2000-2023 24hourcampfire.com, Inc. All Rights Reserved. This primer can be used in place of the SRM primer or used when a different powder is used that is hard to ignite." Large Rifle Standard _gaq.push(['_trackPageview']); 506 0 obj <> endobj Add to Wishlist. 0000015264 00000 n Lyman & Nosler classify this as a standard primer, but Hornady, Handloads.com, and Chuck Hawks classify it as a small rifle magnum primer. Depending on your needs and expectations, they may be worth the extra cost. This is interesting, according to this, Federal Gold Metal MatchKing 308 ammo should not be shot in a AR10 or 308 platform. Sierra 300 grain Match King bullet. Three shot groups. 1.09K Views. The average group size for the top six primers varied by only 0.10 (0.43 to 0.53), so one cant conclude that one type is much better than another. You must log in or register to reply here. Or standard when choosing a primer the. Both for 6.5 CM. Primers labeled "match grade" cost 10 to 20 percent more than standard versions. So, don't take this as gospel but as a rough indicator. . The pressure changed dramatically sometimes (8k-13k PSI). Thanks. I know this powder is far too slow for this application, but we thought Trying to decide which primers to buy next. All powder charges The Effects Of The following are the results of the 25-06 Remington, shot Are there any primer hotness charts here? brass. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Bullets; Primers; . In Winchester testing labs, primers are constantly and rigorously tested for consistency and sensitivity at temperatures and conditions far beyond the range of normal usage. I noticed they listed James Calhoon in that article. P. Plinker147 Well . Within every Remington primer is a group of subcomponents assembled to exceptionally tight tolerances. This charge fills the case to about half Not that I've ever seen. The first "magnum" primer, the Federal 215 was designed for this very purpose. This is the home made tester. 10.3x60mm Rimmed LR Swiss 10mm Auto LP 11x59mm Rimmed LR French Gras 43 Mauser 17 Hornet SR But be sure to remove it before you pop a primer, thermometers propelled by the GI's wolf whistles and shattering on the walls of the ward. We have found the following primers in our possession. There are primer Brisance test that rate primers by there brisance (Heat) but as far as I know no one has checked them for heat sensitivity. All Primers have a different Brisance. Every serious hand-loader should definitely read the full test results to understand Lauries methodology and get all the details. Get a Federal Dry Bag for $2 with ammo purchase. But if you cant spare the time right now, here are some highlights below: Primer with Lowest Velocity: Remington 9 M Magnum (2780 fps) Does this indicate that one primer creates more pressure for about the same velocity or does this mean that some primers will withstand more pressure before showing signs of failure? It confirms what many of us have known for a long time. Seating the Large Rifle primers in a standard Large Pistol pocket may cause high primers . <<917A3329DAD4B341BF9A2FBBF1E535ED>]/Prev 194532/XRefStm 1395>> In firearms and artillery, the primer (/ p r a m r /) is the chemical and/or device responsible for initiating the propellant combustion that will push the projectiles out of the gun barrel.. 0000077042 00000 n Founded by Frank Galli in 2000, Snipers Hide has been offering informational videos, podcasts, and other support to its users in one location. Copyright 1996-2023 AR15.COM LLC. And standard both Magnum. Check With Your Local Ammo. A forum community dedicated to Smith & Wesson firearm owners and enthusiasts. 3.2-5.6 .5171, 15 KVB 45 LP Russian 3.89 3.3-4.2 Out of stock. CCI 250 MAG Large Rifle Primers - 100 Ct. $9.49. Primer Testing Reference. $8.09. Federal Large Rifle Magnum #215M Gold Medal Match Primers | 1,000 Count. CCI No. We used Lapua brass and the In the recent past I had been using BR-4's but have found the extra flash from #41's to give me slightly better groups at 1k. The following loads are with 45.2 grains of BL-C 2, same In other words, the steps were small indeed. The LRP is at least .008 taller than the LPP and has a significantly thicker cup (not shown on chart). The following loads with 63 grains of H870, same bullet and %PDF-1.4 % 4 Comments. 6mmBR.com is the best guide for 6mm BR Benchrest precision shooting, complete with 6BR FAQ, Reloading Data, Shooter Message Boards, Reader Polls, and Photo Gallery. 0000054298 00000 n Reply. CCI 300 STD Large Rifle Primers - 100 Ct. No media assets available for preview. And standard primers. 0000076644 00000 n In bolt action rifles, not semis. Ive since rerun the series with .308 Win Palma brass and small primers. CCI 400 primers are designed for .22 Hornet, .218 Bee, .219 Zipper, and .222 Remington loads: NOT for .223 Remington! 0000027119 00000 n 2829 0 obj <> endobj 50 BMG (BMG) CCI - No.35. Winchester Reloading Small Pistol Magnum Primers. CCI "APS" Large Pistol Primers Strip No. RockyRaab, the only difference between their list and yours is that they list CCI BR4 and CCI 400 as hotter than FED 200. brass. I am keen to understand how the Sellior and Bellots went ,not sure on some of the abbreviations.Sellior and bellot are becoming quite common place in Australia,though I havent seen many reviews as to their primers,as they are the cheapest ,they may not always be the best.currently running up loads of Swede using 2209 and Sierra 123hpbt. The following are with 75 grains of Reloader 19. I have not measures themperhaps your not seating them fully? load have been discussed many times before. I have never looked at primers apart from reliability. As Slamfire said, the #34 and #41 military hard primers likely will be more constant. Posted: 5/29/2018 9:45:54 PM EST. AR15.Com reserves the right to overwrite or replace any affiliate, commercial, or monetizable links, posted by users, with our own. 0000000016 00000 n Read more; CCI #34 7.62mm Military Primers. Must add the Federal Dry Bag to your cart, one per order. PRODUCT No: TYPE OF PRIMER USED FOR PCS PER BOX They can cause primer piercing within stout loads in .223 Remington applications. NOTE: Values in chart are based on 15-Shot strings. We thought of trying 3 different powders in each case 22661. 2.6-3.5 .2090, 18 Fed Match GM150M 3.05 2.6-3.7 .2299. 0000054368 00000 n It's higher than 30-30, and not much less than the 30-06. You will have match. It will still fire, but they get fliers and open groups. bullet, 55 grains of Reloader 19, in Winchester brass. The 7.6254mmR is a rimmed rifle cartridge developed by the Russian Empire and introduced as a service cartridge in 1891. Large Rifle = LR, Large Rifle Magnum = LRM, Large pistol =LP, Brand/type Power Average Range Std. Primer Flash Test Photos. July 9, 2018. LP = Large Pistol . That is how I came up with the results. June 3rd, 2015 LR Primer Types Tested for Velocity, ES/SD, Group Size and More! Powered by UBB.threads PHP Forum Software 7.7.5. Take them with a grain of salt and as a guide only. It was also years ago and things may have changed. 6mmBR.com is the best guide for 6mm BR Benchrest precision shooting, complete with 6BR FAQ, Reloading Data, Shooter Message Boards, Reader Polls, and Photo Gallery. Large Rifle Primers; Shotshell Primers; Best Selling In PRIMERS. :u0RFH1r)F#a9nZh. If you are to use the taller Large Rifle primer, we recommend reaming the primer pocket deeper (.125"-.132"). We got them as PMC brand here until that company disappeared and when we get them nowadays, which is rarely, they use the Russian manufacturers name, Murom. The testing was apparently done with a homemade ballistic pendulum, which left a lot to be desired. 'https://ssl' : 'http://www') + '.google-analytics.com/ga.js'; The Murom KVB-7 or KVB-7M should be the Wolf LR-M under a different name. Does anyone have any information regarding the characteristics of S & B primers and how they compare to the other primer brands described above? This keeps grains of powder out of the flash hole. All cases for each group - Cases that utilize small rifle primers and operate at higher pressures (55,000 psi) should use CCI 450, CCI BR4, Fed 205 and Rem 7 1/2. For this we would leave some loaded rounds in the freezer, and 0000054449 00000 n This may be the most comprehensive and thorough LR primer test ever done. Buy Reloading > Components > Primers - Gun City are the leading firearms experts in New Zealand. Apr 30, 2012. I used the CCI large pistol magnums primers, and they performed just like rifle primers, they didn't peirce, or flatten, ignited the rifle powder just fine. Out-of-Stock. As an aside, a couple of years ago, shortmags.org published a list of primers from hottest to coolest. #4. 6,5 to 9,3 mm: 100: 10: 33: 18,4: 40,5: Percussion caps. Between these two extremes are Large Rifle primers of almost any brisance level. 0000001157 00000 n TYPE OF PRIMER USED FOR PCS PER GRATING GRATINGS PER BOX BOXES PER CASE WEIGHT PER CASE; kg lb; V360157: Small Pistol 4,4 Boxer: . It takes a Large Rifle Magnum primer to reliably light this much powder. I don't have a link to the site , but 6mmbench rest.com or one of those type sites have extensive pages on standard primers. _gaq.push(['_setAccount', 'UA-6323545-2']); 4.5-7.4 .4832, 4Winchester WLRM 5.45 5.1-6.0 .2046, 5 Remington 9 1/2 LRM 5.09 3.5-6.75 .6641, 6 Winchester WLR 4.8 Fiocchi Large Rifle Primers. Dev. 3.8-4.8 .3218, 12 KVB 7 LR Russian 4.27 3.8-4.8 .2213, 13 Rem 91/2 (30 yrs old) 4.16 3.8-4.8 .3427, 14 Rem LP 4.47 0000077528 00000 n Lauries findings will doubtless influence many hand-loaders who hope to produce more consistent ammunition, or achieve better accuracy. There's not a lot of variance in primer burn rate, only in quantity of powder to burn per primer. Buy in store-Limit 2. We were using standard large rifle primers for all cases up Snipers Hide is a community of Snipers of all kinds, focusing on long range shooting, accuracy, and ballistics. endstream endobj startxref Three shot groups. Yeah yeah yeah, and matchkings won't kill a deer. . mounts. By contrast to the Fiocchis, they were an almost slack fit in the cases and this may have contributed to their consistent performance. Laurie Holland. same bullet and brass. Rifle Calibers; Rifle Recoil Table; Handgun Caliber Chart; Handgun Recoil Chart; Caliber Comparisons; Ammo Size Chart; Shot Size Chart; . 10. Large rifle primers - which measure about .128 inches in height and .212 inches in width. By The Copper Pill. 0000002481 00000 n Add to Wishlist. $12.99. 18,4. Despite the nomenclature, this primer is appropriate for some extremely high pressure pistol cartridges, such as the .221 Fireball and the .357 Maximum. (Heat) and cause different powders to react differently. (function() { Cameron. firing 15 Nosler 130-gr. Out of stock. Handloader Magazine does it every once in a while. Most important thing to find out is. The following loads were with 48 grains of VVN 550 powder, things might turn out. The standard primer sizes for metallic centerfire (rifle and pistol) cartridges are small (.175" diameter) and large (.210" diameter). Between these two extremes are Large Rifle primers of almost any brisance level. Match King bullet, molly coated. It is obvious that the thicker cups will withstand more pressure. Gold Medal Centerfire Primer .205. Match event calendar and rifle competition accuracy training tips. grains in, or a variety of combinations). Closed the bolt and off she went. 0000027640 00000 n Large Rifle = LR, Large Rifle Magnum = LRM, Large pistol =LP, Brand/type Power Average Range Std. %%EOF Seems they give me good results across the board. 100. Large Rifle Magnum Match (LRM MATCH) Federal - 215m. Subscribe to our monthly Newsletter to receive firearm news, product discounts from your favorite Industry Partners, and more. Compare Compare Now. Read more. Product Details. A few were of 50 when limited amounts were available. .2232, 16 CCI 300 LP 3.18 ga.src = ('https:' == document.location.protocol ? If you are shooting a 22 Cooper, Hornet, or a Bee, the .020" cup will perform admirably. Remington AmmunitionRemington Large Rifle Magnum Primers #9-1/2M Box of 1000. Shotgun (209) CCI - 209. Winchester works to make sure all primers are reliable, instant and precise. Well done gentlemen, Share the post "Ultimate Large Rifle Primer Shoot-Out 16 Types Tested". 5 Alliant e3 40 Ramshot True Blue. This would give us some sort of idea of how they perform in This shows the pointer after a shot has been fired. Primer with Lowest ES/SD: Sellier & Bellot LR (12/3.1 fps) What is the pressure of a .44mag? LR Primer Types Tested for Velocity, ES/SD, Group Size and More! But rules of thumb aren't perfect, and plenty of cartridges use charges from 55 grains to 65 grains .30-06, .270 Win. This another thing to consider in shooting. 0000028040 00000 n And, NO! I use cci 400 for my AR with great success ! Many handloaders think the 215 is still the hottest commercial rifle primer, but the CCI and Winchester magnum rifle primers are just as hot, if not a little hotter. $ 249.99. Add to Wishlist. LPM = Large Pistol Mag . The first bit of useful trivia is that even though Small Rifle and Small Pistol primer pockets share the same depth specification, Large Rifle and Large Pistol primers do not. 506 42 547 0 obj <>stream were very even, but this was a limited lot and they are not widely available. We re here that there is nothing scientific about this experiment. The following are with 95 H 5010. The pointer remains at the highest point of the shot. Three shot groups. 'Berdan' and 'Boxer' layouts and primer components. borrowed. The following are the results of a 308 Winchester, shot in LP = Large Pistol LPM = Large Pistol Mag SR = Small Rifle LR = Large Rifle LRM = Large Rifle Mag BLR/BSR = Berdan (not available) Primer Size and Bullet Diameter Chart - 2 4050 S. Clark, Mexico, MO 65265 www.grafs.com 800-531-2666 32 Short Colt .313 SP 32 Winchester Special .321 LR 32-20 WCF .312 SR 32-40 WCF .320 LR 325 Winchester Short . Type: Small Rifle Match. Now, I tend to read pressure signs from my primers first. Leupold LPS 3.5-14X scope in Sako mounts on it. were weighed. I usually buy several sizes and types of primers in lots of 5000, or 10,000 about once every year or so, as I do most of the reloading for out hunt group,Its not unusually to knock out a couple hundred cartridges in an evening with my dillion reloaders). CCI Aps BR2 Large Rifle Benchrest (1000) $ 135.00. 41 - Small Military Rifle Primers | 1,000 Count $ 119.99 $ 99.99. So what's the difference? At minimum load a handful of reduced loads with a new primer. I think all of the flame pictures help illustrate that the variety of primer models do different stuff despite all primers being divided into just a few categories. Thats counter-intuitive and its odd that Rems were at opposite ends of the speed spectrum among ALL primers tested. $115.00. Primer with Highest Velocity: Remington 9 LR (2815 fps) $7.30. Small pistol primers - which are about the same size as small rifle primers but designed specifically for handguns. The following loads were shot in a Sako TRG-41 target I guess what my question boils down to is whether you think the range of primer performance you observed in your test here would carry over to other cartridges and powder selections.